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This is an excellent “PSA literacy” post, especially your emphasis that PSA kinetics matter more than any single PSA value once you’re in the recurrence / post-treatment setting.

A few takeaways I hope every clinician and patient internalizes:

1. PSA doubling time (PSADT) is only meaningful if calculated correctly—≥3 PSA values over ≥3 months, spaced far enough apart to avoid noise masquerading as biology. Otherwise we’re just fitting a line to randomness. 

2. The risk stratification point is sobering but actionable: very fast PSADT (<3 months) identifies a truly high-risk biology (your “27× higher death risk” comparison really lands). 

3. Your practical thresholds are exactly what patients need: don’t “watch and wait” into a worse window when salvage therapy is on the table (and conversely, don’t overreact to a benign PSA bounce after radiation). 

4. And thank you for noting the nuance many miss: some aggressive cancers decouple from PSA, so “low PSA” is not always reassurance when the clinical picture or imaging suggests otherwise. 

The overall message is beautifully clinician-grade and patient-usable: track trajectories, validate the math, and match the urgency to the underlying kinetics, not to anxiety, anecdotes, or a single lab draw.

Bill Depenbrock's avatar

I am so DEEPLY grateful for your explanations. You have that rare gift of being able to relay deeply technical information and still make it understandable for the non-professionsl. 5 years after radical prostatectomy an oncologist at a major cancer center here told me to start 2 years of ADT (relugolix) and 6 months of radiation based on a PSA rise from .06 to .14 over 12 months and a "suspicious cloudy area" on an MRI. He didn't tell me the side effects of ADT other than "it may cause some hot flashes". A second opinion consult with an oncologist and radiation oncologist at a different major cancer hospital explained the full range of the devestating side effects that 2 years of ADT would have on a 78 year old man and the flimsy evidence on a new MRI. Based on their recommendations, I didn't start ADT and my PSA has fallen to .10 over the past 12 months, so I have been able to lead a normal life to get my life organized for when I actually do have to start ADT. And I was elated to learn from your last post about DECIPHER testing. I took this info to my urologist/prostate surgeon and was disappointed to learn that after taking 3 sets of transrectal biopsies over 2 years (total of 36 cores) and radical prostatectomy, no samples were ever submitted for DECIPHER testing. He was slightly dismissive of the usefulness of this test but said my tissue samples likely still existed and he would order the testing. You have taught a lot of us to keep our eyes wide open, how to ask informed questions, and trusted that non-professionsl could comprehend granular information.

From a carpenter in Evanston, Illinois.

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